Pokemon Generation 0 Developer Straying from Canon
What kind of person in a team goes ahead and does something without even checking with his superiors and colleagues? Piki Geek writers of course, but also apparently Pokemon Generation 0 developer, Mike Wakefield.
A while back, Mike posted a poll asking fans if they wanted Gyarados to be a Dragon/Water pokemon, straying away from pre-established canon. Mike’s defense was that Gyarados was originally intended to be a Dragon, so it’s okay. Fair enough. Kind of. The game was built to present the backstory of Red/Blue in a game rather than the movie but fine. I guess.
Recently, a new poll has been posted asking if fans want the developers to add “Completely new pre-evolutions and evolutions of pre-existing pokemon?”. Despite the fact this raises a whole bunch of questions (why weren’t these pokemon in Red/Blue?), it also shows just how far the game is straying from the canon. Sure, if they were asking if we wanted Pichu and Igglybuff and such, I might be inclined to sympathize, but to make up completely new pokemon and ignore the canon they worked ever so hard to follow?
One comment on the poll said “But if you have a cool idea like some sort of common ancestor of mouse pokemon then go right ahead.” What people seem to be forgetting is that this game is not millions of years in the past, where pokemon and people are crawling out of the primordial sludge, it is set barely 60 years ago, which is not enough time for any major evolution to happen. Sure, some pokemon might look a little different, and some manmade pokemon may not exist, this has all been discussed. But for that level of evolution to occur it would have to be hundreds or thousands, if not tens of thousands of years.
If the development continues like this, I can quickly see it scrapping all pretense of following the canon, before finally devolving into one of the many pokemon rip off games with all new pokemon. I for one am sorely disappointed, and hope to see it turn around.
I’m interested in Gen 0, but I’d prefer it if they don’t go around changing too much. I can see the ups and downs of new baby Pokemon (make it so the held item to breed the new baby is extinct now or something?) I dunno.
But the idea of changing existing types just because “Oh, well, they should have been this anyway.” seems a bit off putting to me.
It is not like that at all. Trystan Perry grossly perverted what was said -and- done about Gyarados to fuel his slanderous agenda towards defaming me and the wonderful group I am a part in. The fans spoke about Gyarados (over 2/3 wanted a water dragon gyarados. We aren’t straight up changing his typing. You will find magikarp and gyarados (normal ones) all around. However, we did come up with a very good compromise that the entire team(aside from this now ex-member, Trystan) settled on. Even those who didn’t want gyarados changed at all agreed on it. It keeps everything canon and just adds more to the story.
please don’t listen to this person’s lies, and instead look on our fanpage at http://www.facebook.com/0pokemon0 for your updates
There’s a theory that the world of Pokemon is set in a post-apocalypse. If this is true, there’s no telling what sort of quickened mutations Pokemon arose from. The anime makes mention of normal animals (Like Ekans and Arbok being afraid of mongooses), so it’s entirely possible that Pokemon AROSE because of said catastrophic event. Also, how can you talk of normal evolution when the entire premise of the Pokemon series is these creatures change in an instant once certain conditions are met, and it’s CALLED evolution in game. Let the developer do what he wants and just roll with it, because there are ways to make it work with the established cannon. Sometimes the writers on this site really disappoint me by shooting their mouth off.
[Edit/Insertion]The anime makes mention of normal animals (Like Ekans and Arbok being afraid of mongooses), so pokemon live alongside normal wildlife and are hene entirely different and follow different rules. It’s entirely possible that Pokemon AROSE because of said catastrophic event.***
Thanks Jason
That’s exactly what Trystan Perry is doing here. He is slandering our group because he has personal problems with me and takes it out on you all. I appreciate your feedback on how fakemon could be handled, as well as the rest of the fans who posted about our polls.
thanks for staying faithful
~TBC
This is not slander. This is a simple news report.
It actually is. Jake fully agreed with me.
Ex-Promotion Artist of this game here speaking.
I agree completely with this article. I joined the group originally hoping it would be the canon pre-quel I had always dreamed of. But since Mike is the only coder, well, it seems he thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants with the game; the dev team is putty in his hands until they find someone else to do the job, and decide to boot him. Until then, the game will continue to downspiral into fandom-created bullshit.
You’re just a jaded whiny bitch who can’t separate business from personal. All I did was make a poll to see what the fans want. As Matthew Hinton here said “A poll asking what the fans of the page wanted in the game doesn’t mean they’ll do it. They just wanted to see what people thought, and the overwhelming majority said that they would like to see original Pokemon, like pre-evolutions. There’s a lot of fanpokemon out there, like the connection between Cubone and Kangaskhan, and personally, I think if they did it right it could be a fantastic addition for the game. and besides, even if they did put them in, it’s not like this game is ACTUALLY canon. The games have contradicted the anime and vice versa plenty of times, so their decision to work on a Red/Blue prequel rather than a Pokemon anime-based prequel is completely fine. The game is a long way from being done. Let’s just chill out a bit, wait for Black 2 and White 2 to come out, and see where things go.”
You’re butthurt for getting kicked out of the team because you were causing drama and being an asshat. You’re right, I am the only eventer here. Because no one else can do the job. I do more work than anyone on the team, and other group members know this. If I have an idea I bring it up to the groups and to the fans. So you’re wrong, I don’t think I can do whatever I want. So you can just shut your dirty trap.
Actually, I left of my own accord. I was not “kicked out” of the group at all. You are misinformed on that matter (or, perhaps, changed your memories so you would look good, which seems like it would fit your nature). You were also the one that caused the drama, need I remind you, not I.
Your religious views are not at all the reason I dislike you. It’s your attitude, and the way you think you can push said views on everyone else.
I think you’re the one trying to gain attention here, not I. You feel the need to comment on everything here, while I was simply reporting my opinion, and the truth of the matter.
The fact that you’re calling me names here especially does not help your argument, and it certainly does not make you the better person. The fact that you threatened the whole group and made demands further proves the point that you think you can do whatever you want.
And after all this, Trystan and I are back in the group, and you are out alone. Nice knowing you. Well–not really, I would have rather never dealt with all the drama. But whatever. I guess that just proves who was in the right here, and who was in the wrong.
You started by rage-quitting. You left and said if we used anything of yours you would sue us. You left because I was bringing a fresh idea about Gyarados in. We ended up deciding on Ancestry cavern. Using a Celebi event where it is the Celebi Sam befriends when he was 10, he saves it again and it takes him to the cave where it lives. Since Celebi is a little time wizard, it keeps this cave held in time so you can get it. It’s like 30,000 years in the past in the cave.
Inside the cave you would find the water/dragon magikarp, Kabuto, Omanyte and Aerodactyl as wild pokemon. This would be a side mission and in *no* way is “fandom bullshit*. It is said Magikarp were stronger back then. Maybe over the thousands of years it lost its dragon properties.
And the poll I posted was to get what the fans thought. The fans are important. Though you don’t like to think so. What if Team Rocket genetically engineered a Pokemon that Oak puts a stop to, so you wouldn’t end up seeing it in later generations? What about a pokemon that becomes extinct through poaching in the next 35 years or dies out in the war?
There’s ways to make it canon. But you are a child and left with a big temper tantrum. I said you were kicked out because I wouldn’t let you back in. Not because I was trying to fabricate events. That’s more something up your alley.
Oooooooh, you’re back in the group. The group that sat there, stagnant, for over two years with literally NO game progress before I came along. The group, who has literally no game progress now, again.
I’m not alone, by the way. I’ve talked to a few of the group members and they’re going with me. And there’s a website I’m a part of which has sections to get teams and showcase your project, I will be going there.
For the record, I commented on everything here to make sure people read the truth while Trystan slandered and lied. Not to get attention. You blocked me on FB and Skype and then made hateful statuses about me and tagged every other group member in them. THAT’S to get attention.
There’s ways to fit the ideas I have brought forth into being canon, and the fans were up for it and suggested things to make it canon. But you don’t want to see that because you’re blinded by your own biased.
Good luck being in a group that won’t get anywhere. I’ll be continuing to make the game that the fans have learned to like and make it well.
I threatened that only because I wanted to make sure that my point was clear in that none of my work should be used without my permission.
Regardless, Pokemon types do not change over time. They might get weaker or stronger, yes, but the type would not change without it being a completely different Pokemon or an evolution. There is no possible way to make that canon, when canon has already been established.
I never said that the fans weren’t important. I realize that they are. We had agreed to make it a game that fit in canon, without anything too far-out. You were defying that.
I was NEVER kicked out. If you think preventing someone from rejoining is the same as “kicking them out”, you are sorely mistaken. The original Pokemon Gen 0 team, yes, the one I am on, is progressing, slowly, but surely. We do have work in progress. We have new mappers, and new scripters, as well as more artists and music-writers. Just because progress is slow does not mean it isn’t happening.
I repeat, those were NOT for gaining attention to /me/, they were to gain attention to the /problem/. I blocked you because you were harassing me constantly with rude remarks, and I won’t stand for being bullied when I can easily prevent it. I only tagged the group members I was close with, as friends, and the statuses were not at all hateful, only addressing the problem at hand (the harassment).
Good luck being in a group that will end up as nothing but a rip-off of an original idea. I’ll be working on the game with more fans, and a much better team of workers. That’s right– I said team. Not monarchy. We finally act like a team now that the one holding us back is gone.
I don’t think it posted my last comment. Ugh.
So you’re back in a group that had literally no progress for -over 2 years-. Ooooh, wow, you’re a big shot.
I said you were kicked out because I wouldn’t let you back in. I wasn’t fabricating events, nice try. You blocked me on FB and Skype and made hateful statuses about me and tagged the entire group in them. This is the definition of being an attention whore. I commented on everything here to make sure people saw the truth between Trystan’s and your lies.
For the water/dragon Gyarados thing we fit that in, canonly. The Celebi Sam befriended in the past would meet him again. He would help it out (it is being attacked by another pokemon) and it lets him come back to the cave he stays at. Since Celebi are time wizards, it keeps this cavern in time-suspension. It’s called Ancestry Cavern and is like 30,000 years in the past. Since it is known that Magikarp were stronger long ago, you would find water/dragon magikarp there. As well as wild omanyte, kabuto and aerodactyl.
This makes the idea work with canon. But you threw a temper-tantrum and rage-quit before you got to see the end of that. And what if team rocket were genetically creating pokemon that Sam liberates? You wouldn’t see them in the future, then. What if a pokemon was already becoming extinct, and in the next 35 years happens to do so?
It can be made to work in the game as canon. But you are blinded by your bias and can’t see it.
Good luck in a group led by an inept person who doesn’t know a thing about the game-making process. I’ll be over here developing the real game and actually finish it while you guys will have another year of no progress like before I came.
That is not the definition of getting “kicked out”, that’s one selfish person threatening to leave and take their work with them. Jake could have added me back in, and you would have had no choice in the matter.
I tagged the group so that they could know what was going on, for their own information, not to “get attention”. They were not “hateful statuses”. I blocked you on Facebook and Skype because you would not quit harassing me.
Still doesn’t fit in canon. Gyarados never was a dragon type. It would be a completely different Pokemon if it was. Pokemon do not change types over time.
By calling me names, you’re only proving how immature you are. I couldn’t care less what you think of me, honestly.
A poll asking what the fans of the page wanted in the game doesn’t mean they’ll do it. They just wanted to see what people thought, and the overwhelming majority said that they would like to see original Pokemon, like pre-evolutions. There’s a lot of fanpokemon out there, like the connection between Cubone and Kangaskhan, and personally, I think if they did it right it could be a fantastic addition for the game. and besides, even if they did put them in, it’s not like this game is ACTUALLY canon. The games have contradicted the anime and vice versa plenty of times, so their decision to work on a Red/Blue prequel rather than a Pokemon anime-based prequel is completely fine. The game is a long way from being done. Let’s just chill out a bit, wait for Black 2 and White 2 to come out, and see where things go.
“…Certain pokemon didn’t exist in the timeframe. We were actually thinking of the idea of adding Pokémon that are on the brink of extinction, ones that did exist but don’t anymore.” -Jake Lupton, HEAD DEVELOPER, January 2012
Don’t worry everyone. This slanderous piece of trash has been removed from the group. He lied to all of you. We are not straying from canon. We’ve had SEVERAL people ask us if we want to make fakemon. Since we care about our fan’s opinions we want to make sure we please them. So a thread was made SOLELY to gather information.
So do not worry. Cannon is still utmost in importance. If we ever added fakemon it would be post-game, or we would make a separate release with the choice to add em in. so please do not fret and listen to this slanderer.
~TBC
He did not “lie” or “slander” at all. He was simply reporting the news. AKA, his job. You’re doing the same thing you did when I left, because you want attention.
Not really. You’re the only one here who agrees with him because you also were a drama-causing nuisance. You only agree with him because you openly admitted to hating me for my religious views. So stop trying to team up with people, again, to get attention. The true fans here see that this excuse for an article is slander and trash. You can continue being an idiot.
Where’s the new content? Nothing in 5 days?
Where do you get that from? Do you even follow the Facebook page? I personally have mapped another route, animated 6 attacks (with sound effects and full animations), made every single pokemon move IN-BATTLE (go to our new, better interviewer here, http://www.firstdropshow.com/?p=1832 ) and our music guy gave me two new tracks today.
I don’t think you have any idea what you’re talking about :p
~TBC
Pretty sure he meant from Piki Geek, guy.
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